Bettors Want Competitive Races; Not Speed
Quote from 1968jackpot on November 28, 2025, 2:10 PM
- I grew up in Vernon NY. Knew some horseman. A friend of mines father owned a few pacers.
- My friend told me that you will see a big longshot come in when it's KNOWN barn is struggling...hay bill etc..( please no offense intended in anyway this was 40 years ago approximately...)
- I mention this because I watch some really stupid stuff out on track sometimes.. RHYME OR REASON ??? Matter of opinions....bomb comes in. They tally the mutuals...and it's a memory and on to the next race....
- I agree with Lonnie almost 100%... except who wants to burn there horse going first over and challenging to the point out of top 5...in end result.??
- I think it's very much important to pick and choose which races to wager...alot can happen out there...
- Driver tendencies...post position that driver in .. willingness to push pace...that plays in as well in projecting pace I've found.
- I grew up in Vernon NY. Knew some horseman. A friend of mines father owned a few pacers.
- My friend told me that you will see a big longshot come in when it's KNOWN barn is struggling...hay bill etc..( please no offense intended in anyway this was 40 years ago approximately...)
- I mention this because I watch some really stupid stuff out on track sometimes.. RHYME OR REASON ??? Matter of opinions....bomb comes in. They tally the mutuals...and it's a memory and on to the next race....
- I agree with Lonnie almost 100%... except who wants to burn there horse going first over and challenging to the point out of top 5...in end result.??
- I think it's very much important to pick and choose which races to wager...alot can happen out there...
- Driver tendencies...post position that driver in .. willingness to push pace...that plays in as well in projecting pace I've found.
Quote from Lonnie on November 28, 2025, 2:23 PMQuote from 1968jackpot on November 28, 2025, 2:10 PM
- I agree with Lonnie almost 100%... except who wants to burn there horse going first over and challenging to the point out of top 5...in end result.??
If a horse isn't going to be competitive, it shouldn't be entered.
Quote from 1968jackpot on November 28, 2025, 2:10 PM
- I agree with Lonnie almost 100%... except who wants to burn there horse going first over and challenging to the point out of top 5...in end result.??
If a horse isn't going to be competitive, it shouldn't be entered.
Quote from 1968jackpot on November 28, 2025, 3:07 PMI agree with Lonnie. Competitiveness is a must. I from punters aspect expect that....it is supposed to go along with baseball ..apple pie and Chevrolet..
I am aware this is no new subject... competitiveness....goal to win or goal to grab share of purse....I am not versed..nor experienced enough to go further with any opinion.Â
Pace projection however...that's a different subject....
I agree with Lonnie. Competitiveness is a must. I from punters aspect expect that....it is supposed to go along with baseball ..apple pie and Chevrolet..
I am aware this is no new subject... competitiveness....goal to win or goal to grab share of purse....I am not versed..nor experienced enough to go further with any opinion.Â
Pace projection however...that's a different subject....
Quote from Purple Aura on November 28, 2025, 4:56 PMYears ago when Red Mile raced Grand Circuit at night Campbell wired the field at a decent price. They dq'ed him because he went to slow to the half. Can't remember the name of the horse he was a sire for only a year or two. Really pissed me off. I bet him and it was the first time I had ever seen a guy on lead dq'ed because the pace wasn't quick enough.Â
Think he was 2yo pacer. The horse's name had Q's in it I think. OK off to hockey and some Churchill Grade2 racing later.
Eqqus???? Something like that
Years ago when Red Mile raced Grand Circuit at night Campbell wired the field at a decent price. They dq'ed him because he went to slow to the half. Can't remember the name of the horse he was a sire for only a year or two. Really pissed me off. I bet him and it was the first time I had ever seen a guy on lead dq'ed because the pace wasn't quick enough.Â
Think he was 2yo pacer. The horse's name had Q's in it I think. OK off to hockey and some Churchill Grade2 racing later.
Eqqus???? Something like that
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Quote from Bgtolex25 on November 29, 2025, 7:08 AMReally good discussion by all. Â Not a bettor usually as many of you know. Â Probably would have been if the right characters influenced me as a young person, instead the horses won me over. Â
Doesnât surprise me about the old days corruption. Â When big money was involved with manipulating a race, there was always someone willing to compromise integrity for a payout. Â And our underworld friends in NY, Chicago and Youngstown/Cleveland areas were thick into the manipulating game. Â They could be pretty persuasive in the 60âs, 70âs and 80âs. Â For those of you in tune with the current scene, is there generally enough $ in the pools for the criminals to corrupt the action? Â Honest question because I have no idea.
Really good discussion by all. Â Not a bettor usually as many of you know. Â Probably would have been if the right characters influenced me as a young person, instead the horses won me over. Â
Doesnât surprise me about the old days corruption. Â When big money was involved with manipulating a race, there was always someone willing to compromise integrity for a payout. Â And our underworld friends in NY, Chicago and Youngstown/Cleveland areas were thick into the manipulating game. Â They could be pretty persuasive in the 60âs, 70âs and 80âs. Â For those of you in tune with the current scene, is there generally enough $ in the pools for the criminals to corrupt the action? Â Honest question because I have no idea.