Sippinonsearoc: New Fastest Two-year-old Pacer in History
Quote from Lonnie on August 15, 2024, 10:00 AMSippinonsearoc became the fastest 2-year-old pacer in history on Tuesday when he won the $80,000 second leg of the Kentucky Sire Stakes Championship Series for freshman male pacers in 1:48.2 with Yannick Gingras in the sulky.
1:48.2! Let that sink in for a moment. This is a two-year-old pacer. It's only mid-August. Granted it's The Red Mile, but if they're going this fast now, could they (he) go even faster next month? Grand Circuit week at The Red Mile is still six weeks away.
Back in the 1970's Jade Prince became the world's fastest all-age pacer. Jade Prince was a two-year-old. In the 1980's Stan Bergstein (I think) wrote that one day a two-year-old pacer would again hold the all-age world record.
Will Sippinonsearoc, or some other two-year-old pacer, break the all-age world record this year? He's still three seconds off that record. But, could he/someone this year??
Sippinonsearoc became the fastest 2-year-old pacer in history on Tuesday when he won the $80,000 second leg of the Kentucky Sire Stakes Championship Series for freshman male pacers in 1:48.2 with Yannick Gingras in the sulky.
1:48.2! Let that sink in for a moment. This is a two-year-old pacer. It's only mid-August. Granted it's The Red Mile, but if they're going this fast now, could they (he) go even faster next month? Grand Circuit week at The Red Mile is still six weeks away.
Back in the 1970's Jade Prince became the world's fastest all-age pacer. Jade Prince was a two-year-old. In the 1980's Stan Bergstein (I think) wrote that one day a two-year-old pacer would again hold the all-age world record.
Will Sippinonsearoc, or some other two-year-old pacer, break the all-age world record this year? He's still three seconds off that record. But, could he/someone this year??
Quote from Bgtolex25 on August 15, 2024, 9:31 PMThe breed is definitely evolving, especially the pacers. I see a lot less mediocre stallions today vs. 30 years ago. Track conditions and technology will likely to continue to reduce times. Today’s sulky and the rigging is light years ahead of the 1960’s, 70’s, and 80’s when I was around the action.
The removal of the hub rails has to make a difference. Drivers are as close as they can get to the pylons. Try that against a rail and you would be risking a major wreck.
Training techniques seem to be more about speed vs. endurance. Back when stake races were all conducted in heat racing, you could not afford to go pedal to the metal.
All are factors, so speed doesn’t impress me like a high win percentage against great competitors.
Can you think of other factors?
The breed is definitely evolving, especially the pacers. I see a lot less mediocre stallions today vs. 30 years ago. Track conditions and technology will likely to continue to reduce times. Today’s sulky and the rigging is light years ahead of the 1960’s, 70’s, and 80’s when I was around the action.
The removal of the hub rails has to make a difference. Drivers are as close as they can get to the pylons. Try that against a rail and you would be risking a major wreck.
Training techniques seem to be more about speed vs. endurance. Back when stake races were all conducted in heat racing, you could not afford to go pedal to the metal.
All are factors, so speed doesn’t impress me like a high win percentage against great competitors.
Can you think of other factors?
Quote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 9:42 AMWhat I found shocking was that in the undefeated Sippinonsearoc's next race (program page below), not only didn't he go off the favorite, he was resolutely beaten.
Too much speed too young?
He didn't even hit the board! And the exacta price?!! Something seems bizarre here.
What I found shocking was that in the undefeated Sippinonsearoc's next race (program page below), not only didn't he go off the favorite, he was resolutely beaten.
Too much speed too young?
He didn't even hit the board! And the exacta price?!! Something seems bizarre here.
Quote from pcmark15 on August 26, 2024, 11:13 AMQuote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 9:42 AToo much speed too young?
When I saw this the first thing that popped into my head was an interview I saw with Virgil Morgan Jr just before the Next Generation races. He stated that a number of horses in those races would be ruined because they're not conditioned or trained up to what they'll be asked to do.
Kinda off topic and maybe it's just me and I see more and more of this but I don't see how it can be good for racing to have a seven horse field and five of the seven horses are trained by two trainers.
Quote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 9:42 AToo much speed too young?
When I saw this the first thing that popped into my head was an interview I saw with Virgil Morgan Jr just before the Next Generation races. He stated that a number of horses in those races would be ruined because they're not conditioned or trained up to what they'll be asked to do.
Kinda off topic and maybe it's just me and I see more and more of this but I don't see how it can be good for racing to have a seven horse field and five of the seven horses are trained by two trainers.
Quote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 11:58 AMYeah. Ron Burke trained both Sippinonsearoc and the betting favorite and winner, Louprint. It just doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside that someone knew something. It just didn't make sense, in my humble opinion that Sippinonsearoc wasn't the favorite... and that the winner was the favorite and both came from the same barn.
Yeah. Ron Burke trained both Sippinonsearoc and the betting favorite and winner, Louprint. It just doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside that someone knew something. It just didn't make sense, in my humble opinion that Sippinonsearoc wasn't the favorite... and that the winner was the favorite and both came from the same barn.
Quote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 12:00 PMQuote from pcmark15 on August 26, 2024, 11:13 AMQuote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 9:42 AToo much speed too young?
Kinda off topic and maybe it's just me and I see more and more of this but I don't see how it can be good for racing to have a seven horse field and five of the seven horses are trained by two trainers.
💯% agree.
Quote from pcmark15 on August 26, 2024, 11:13 AMQuote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 9:42 AToo much speed too young?
Kinda off topic and maybe it's just me and I see more and more of this but I don't see how it can be good for racing to have a seven horse field and five of the seven horses are trained by two trainers.
💯% agree.
Quote from andtheyreoff on August 26, 2024, 3:47 PMQuote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 11:58 AMYeah. Ron Burke trained both Sippinonsearoc and the betting favorite and winner, Louprint. It just doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside that someone knew something. It just didn't make sense, in my humble opinion that Sippinonsearoc wasn't the favorite... and that the winner was the favorite and both came from the same barn.
anything involving burke doesn't leave a warm and fuzzy feeling , he gets away with murder. his father was a cheater , and he is no different.
Quote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 11:58 AMYeah. Ron Burke trained both Sippinonsearoc and the betting favorite and winner, Louprint. It just doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside that someone knew something. It just didn't make sense, in my humble opinion that Sippinonsearoc wasn't the favorite... and that the winner was the favorite and both came from the same barn.
anything involving burke doesn't leave a warm and fuzzy feeling , he gets away with murder. his father was a cheater , and he is no different.
Quote from Senator Blutarsky on August 26, 2024, 10:11 PMQuote from Lonnie on August 15, 2024, 10:00 AMSippinonsearoc became the fastest 2-year-old pacer in history on Tuesday when he won the $80,000 second leg of the Kentucky Sire Stakes Championship Series for freshman male pacers in 1:48.2 with Yannick Gingras in the sulky.
1:48.2! Let that sink in for a moment. This is a two-year-old pacer. It's only mid-August. Granted it's The Red Mile, but if they're going this fast now, could they (he) go even faster next month? Grand Circuit week at The Red Mile is still six weeks away.
Back in the 1970's Jade Prince became the world's fastest all-age pacer. Jade Prince was a two-year-old. In the 1980's Stan Bergstein (I think) wrote that one day a two-year-old pacer would again hold the all-age world record.
Will Sippinonsearoc, or some other two-year-old pacer, break the all-age world record this year? He's still three seconds off that record. But, could he/someone this year??
Amazing. Wow wow wow!!!
Overall I'm having a lousy time wagering on 2 yo's.
I think I might ban myself from (wagering on) them all together.
One thing we most all know from experience is that a lifetime mark isn't always repeated, and if too closely racing back, might have to go in another direction if the competition is primed.
One came to mind that was super consistent, Miss Easy.
Saw her at the Meadowlands live way back when...nice having a consistent one that you can start on top of your cold ticket with 🙂 .
https://www.hambletonian.com/1990/misseasy2fp
Quote from Lonnie on August 15, 2024, 10:00 AMSippinonsearoc became the fastest 2-year-old pacer in history on Tuesday when he won the $80,000 second leg of the Kentucky Sire Stakes Championship Series for freshman male pacers in 1:48.2 with Yannick Gingras in the sulky.
1:48.2! Let that sink in for a moment. This is a two-year-old pacer. It's only mid-August. Granted it's The Red Mile, but if they're going this fast now, could they (he) go even faster next month? Grand Circuit week at The Red Mile is still six weeks away.
Back in the 1970's Jade Prince became the world's fastest all-age pacer. Jade Prince was a two-year-old. In the 1980's Stan Bergstein (I think) wrote that one day a two-year-old pacer would again hold the all-age world record.
Will Sippinonsearoc, or some other two-year-old pacer, break the all-age world record this year? He's still three seconds off that record. But, could he/someone this year??
Amazing. Wow wow wow!!!
Overall I'm having a lousy time wagering on 2 yo's.
I think I might ban myself from (wagering on) them all together.
One thing we most all know from experience is that a lifetime mark isn't always repeated, and if too closely racing back, might have to go in another direction if the competition is primed.
One came to mind that was super consistent, Miss Easy.
Saw her at the Meadowlands live way back when...nice having a consistent one that you can start on top of your cold ticket with 🙂 .
Quote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 10:34 PMQuote from Senator Blutarsky on August 26, 2024, 10:11 PMQuote from Lonnie on August 15, 2024, 10:00 AMSippinonsearoc became the fastest 2-year-old pacer in history on Tuesday when he won the $80,000 second leg of the Kentucky Sire Stakes Championship Series for freshman male pacers in 1:48.2 with Yannick Gingras in the sulky.
1:48.2! Let that sink in for a moment. This is a two-year-old pacer. It's only mid-August. Granted it's The Red Mile, but if they're going this fast now, could they (he) go even faster next month? Grand Circuit week at The Red Mile is still six weeks away.
Back in the 1970's Jade Prince became the world's fastest all-age pacer. Jade Prince was a two-year-old. In the 1980's Stan Bergstein (I think) wrote that one day a two-year-old pacer would again hold the all-age world record.
Will Sippinonsearoc, or some other two-year-old pacer, break the all-age world record this year? He's still three seconds off that record. But, could he/someone this year??
Amazing. Wow wow wow!!!
Overall I'm having a lousy time wagering on 2 yo's.
I think I might ban myself from (wagering on) them all together.
Two-year-old trotters are especially tough to wager on, though you can collect on some long shots if you watch closely. And two-year-olds are still growing, putting on weight, and maturing, so their form can change drastically from race to race especially early in their campaigns
Quote from Senator Blutarsky on August 26, 2024, 10:11 PMQuote from Lonnie on August 15, 2024, 10:00 AMSippinonsearoc became the fastest 2-year-old pacer in history on Tuesday when he won the $80,000 second leg of the Kentucky Sire Stakes Championship Series for freshman male pacers in 1:48.2 with Yannick Gingras in the sulky.
1:48.2! Let that sink in for a moment. This is a two-year-old pacer. It's only mid-August. Granted it's The Red Mile, but if they're going this fast now, could they (he) go even faster next month? Grand Circuit week at The Red Mile is still six weeks away.
Back in the 1970's Jade Prince became the world's fastest all-age pacer. Jade Prince was a two-year-old. In the 1980's Stan Bergstein (I think) wrote that one day a two-year-old pacer would again hold the all-age world record.
Will Sippinonsearoc, or some other two-year-old pacer, break the all-age world record this year? He's still three seconds off that record. But, could he/someone this year??
Amazing. Wow wow wow!!!
Overall I'm having a lousy time wagering on 2 yo's.
I think I might ban myself from (wagering on) them all together.
Two-year-old trotters are especially tough to wager on, though you can collect on some long shots if you watch closely. And two-year-olds are still growing, putting on weight, and maturing, so their form can change drastically from race to race especially early in their campaigns
Quote from Senator Blutarsky on August 26, 2024, 10:54 PMQuote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 10:34 PMQuote from Senator Blutarsky on August 26, 2024, 10:11 PMQuote from Lonnie on August 15, 2024, 10:00 AMSippinonsearoc became the fastest 2-year-old pacer in history on Tuesday when he won the $80,000 second leg of the Kentucky Sire Stakes Championship Series for freshman male pacers in 1:48.2 with Yannick Gingras in the sulky.
1:48.2! Let that sink in for a moment. This is a two-year-old pacer. It's only mid-August. Granted it's The Red Mile, but if they're going this fast now, could they (he) go even faster next month? Grand Circuit week at The Red Mile is still six weeks away.
Back in the 1970's Jade Prince became the world's fastest all-age pacer. Jade Prince was a two-year-old. In the 1980's Stan Bergstein (I think) wrote that one day a two-year-old pacer would again hold the all-age world record.
Will Sippinonsearoc, or some other two-year-old pacer, break the all-age world record this year? He's still three seconds off that record. But, could he/someone this year??
Amazing. Wow wow wow!!!
Overall I'm having a lousy time wagering on 2 yo's.
I think I might ban myself from (wagering on) them all together.
Two-year-old trotters are especially tough to wager on, though you can collect on some long shots if you watch closely. And two-year-olds are still growing, putting on weight, and maturing, so their form can change drastically from race to race especially early in their campaigns
And you can also hit the cancel bets button on your adw before the race if they start galloping, but what do you do with a horse like Luke The Spook (Not a 2yo), my God, what he did at the Big M on Hambo day was simply unreal.
The track vet at Calder in the mid 2000's told me he won't even race his own at 2, as the (some specific) bones haven't fully formed. We know from gymnastics the impact on the legs from all the shorties in that line of work.
And you're right about blowing up the board, watching closely is dedication, these forums can be amazing too as any insider input can be super valuable at times. I think early 2025 I'll dedicate myself to all racing in North America.
Why gamble gamble, gambling is enough lol, and watching the babies late in the year can be real nice too building a virtual stable. We covered most the options 🙂
Quote from Lonnie on August 26, 2024, 10:34 PMQuote from Senator Blutarsky on August 26, 2024, 10:11 PMQuote from Lonnie on August 15, 2024, 10:00 AMSippinonsearoc became the fastest 2-year-old pacer in history on Tuesday when he won the $80,000 second leg of the Kentucky Sire Stakes Championship Series for freshman male pacers in 1:48.2 with Yannick Gingras in the sulky.
1:48.2! Let that sink in for a moment. This is a two-year-old pacer. It's only mid-August. Granted it's The Red Mile, but if they're going this fast now, could they (he) go even faster next month? Grand Circuit week at The Red Mile is still six weeks away.
Back in the 1970's Jade Prince became the world's fastest all-age pacer. Jade Prince was a two-year-old. In the 1980's Stan Bergstein (I think) wrote that one day a two-year-old pacer would again hold the all-age world record.
Will Sippinonsearoc, or some other two-year-old pacer, break the all-age world record this year? He's still three seconds off that record. But, could he/someone this year??
Amazing. Wow wow wow!!!
Overall I'm having a lousy time wagering on 2 yo's.
I think I might ban myself from (wagering on) them all together.
Two-year-old trotters are especially tough to wager on, though you can collect on some long shots if you watch closely. And two-year-olds are still growing, putting on weight, and maturing, so their form can change drastically from race to race especially early in their campaigns
And you can also hit the cancel bets button on your adw before the race if they start galloping, but what do you do with a horse like Luke The Spook (Not a 2yo), my God, what he did at the Big M on Hambo day was simply unreal.
The track vet at Calder in the mid 2000's told me he won't even race his own at 2, as the (some specific) bones haven't fully formed. We know from gymnastics the impact on the legs from all the shorties in that line of work.
And you're right about blowing up the board, watching closely is dedication, these forums can be amazing too as any insider input can be super valuable at times. I think early 2025 I'll dedicate myself to all racing in North America.
Why gamble gamble, gambling is enough lol, and watching the babies late in the year can be real nice too building a virtual stable. We covered most the options 🙂
